Ktismatics

20 October 2007

Long Neck

Filed under: Reflections — ktismatics @ 12:38 pm

In my dream I was milling around in a large room along with a fair number of other people, none of whom did I seem to know. At some point I had occasion to observe myself, although I don’t recall there being a mirror present, and I realized I had an extremely long neck, maybe a foot long. It was most noticeable when I craned my head way forward: then it seemed as if my neck started farther down my back than it was supposed to. I was looking at myself from behind, where I could see that the neck was very bony, like it had several extra vertebrae. It looked grotesque, skeletal, with just a thin layer of skin stretched across it. I straightened my head up, thus tucking the neck against the spine and making it less obtrusive. As I glanced around the room I was surprised to see that many other people — though not all — male and female alike, also carried the extended skeletal neck structure, fully exposed when in the craned-forward position. No one else seemed surprised or revolted by the sight.

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  1. After seeing the bar scene from Star Wars, I had really weird dreams, weird creatures and sometimes i was one myself. It seemed spontaneous and then after sometime it faded. I mean i don;t know whether i still have those dreams or not. I suspect that once a dream becomes too usual I don’t notice it much anymore.

    Comment by samlcarr — 20 October 2007 @ 1:33 pm

  2. At some point I had occasion to observe myself, although I don’t recall there being a mirror present, (which almost certainly means the mirror was present, and that this dream was some kind of a mirroring for you)

    I straightened my head up, thus tucking the neck against the spine and making it less obtrusive. (if I was Lacanalyzing you I would probably have to think of all the American phraseology related to the neck and the spine, to see if maybe this means that your wanting to make the neck less obtrusive relates to some of your white burgeois Woody Allen social insecurities, apparent from the many conversations we’ve had – do I want to be seen? How do other people see me? Do I perform?… bla)

    As I glanced around the room I was surprised to see that many other people — though not all — male and female alike, also carried the extended skeletal neck structure, fully exposed when in the craned-forward position. No one else seemed surprised or revolted by the sight. (which almost certainly means that they were both surprised and revolted by you, and that you feel yourself an outcast from that society and or have fears that your reflection in that society is odd, awkward…)

    Comment by parodycenter — 20 October 2007 @ 5:42 pm

  3. Salmcarr, did you see yourself as Chewbacca, R2D2, Jabba the Hut, or something else?

    My own dreams, predictably, look more like European avant garde cinema.

    Comment by parodycenter — 20 October 2007 @ 5:44 pm

  4. Of course, Clysmatics, the dream could also mean that you find your cock too small or shrinking, or sagging, and you imagine having a very long one, which though it might appear awkward, will certainly bring you more status in the competitive society you’re facing, and which doesn’t appreciate your poetic side!

    Comment by parodycenter — 20 October 2007 @ 5:46 pm

  5. And Smalcar you really have to work on your PR because that nickname is just a disaster. I think of a Simulated Car, a Small Car, a Simulation, the Simpsons, and it’s very difficult to pronounce too.

    Comment by parodycenter — 20 October 2007 @ 5:48 pm

  6. “Sticking your neck out” being a common English idiom for taking a risk, your first interpretation is the most direct one. “Sticking your dick out” probably means the same thing. That I find myself already equipped with the long neck is a surprise, and I do find myself repulsed by myself. I have the long neck and can disguise it, but I find that my natural tendency is to thrust my head forward when I walk (which is true), so I’m displaying myself even when I don’t realize it. Also this neck with the bony protuberances seems both primeval and extraterrestrial — perhaps it’s another case where the unconscious is colonized by American film images (Alien, ET, dinosaur movies).

    Comment by ktismatics — 20 October 2007 @ 6:38 pm

  7. “Sticking your dick out” probably means the same thing. = you expressed before your concerns about being aggressive, being the top… you want it but at the same time it makes you feel uncomfortable… i recognize that theme

    o thrust my head forward when I walk (which is true), so I’m displaying myself even when I don’t realize it. (You mean like a bird, like a chicken?)

    Also this neck with the bony protuberances seems both primeval and extraterrestrial — perhaps it’s another case where the unconscious is colonized by American film images (Alien, ET, dinosaur movies).

    yes but your Unconscious Clysmatics will give its own interpretation of those appropriated images, so I would look for their individual meaning here…I really think there’s no dictionary of archetypes, except maybe in the sociological context or I think those archetypesi n the individual Unconscious undergo personalized transformations

    Comment by parodycenter — 20 October 2007 @ 6:50 pm

  8. I don’t know whether bird or chicken — I’ve just been told that it’s a distinctive feature of my walk. It’s not something I can observe about myself directly — only through the social mirror. The bony neck was very structurally integral to my being in a way that made me feel alien from myself. The others in the room with this anatomical feature — I could tell nothing about them, whether more or less dominant, creative, socially isolated, etc. And now I’ve noticed that I’m craning my neck forward as I type these words — perhaps it’s an enthusiasm, a desire to get closer to whatever it is I’m doing, to see, to be in the middle of it…

    Comment by ktismatics — 20 October 2007 @ 7:02 pm

  9. maybe you’re also frightened as a chicken, Clysmatics? Or fluttery as a bird? We could go on like this forever, but if I was Lacanalyzing instead of Clysmatising you like now, I would simply listen to what YOU tell me these images mean to you.

    Comment by parodycenter — 20 October 2007 @ 7:18 pm

  10. Okay, I asked my wife and daughter. Bad posture, they say. Not birdlike — more that I’ve been paying very close attention to something and haven’t straightened up fully.

    Comment by ktismatics — 20 October 2007 @ 7:24 pm

  11. “Also this neck with the bony protuberances seems both primeval and extraterrestrial —”

    Good in the former, less desirable in the latter,because ‘primeval’ could mean pterodactyl, and that’s definitely what we need.

    Comment by jonquille de camembert — 20 October 2007 @ 7:54 pm

  12. Yes I think I’d like being a pterodactyl, though I’m not so sure about the long bony protuberance on the top of the head. But maybe even that.

    Comment by ktismatics — 20 October 2007 @ 8:24 pm

  13. “…several extra vertebrae.” reptiles have a very variable # of bones in their necks/backs but mammals seem to stick to 7 bones for the neck. Even a giraffe has only 7 bones in its neck.

    Parodycenter, Sorry bout the name, i’m not considering changing it and it happens to be an approximation for my much longer real one. Just ‘sam’ will do as there don’t seem to be any others here yet with that moniker. My yahoo messenger id is scribalerror, but that’s a bit of a mouthful.

    I can’t recall being any particular character from the film, just that strange anatomies were present, most were creations from the distortion of one or more parts of a ‘normal’ anatomy, which I think is what the bar scene characters had been created from. Evolution is a fact and in the universe, certainly, life must be extremely varied, but putting all that variety into a common environment (as Star Wars) does is most unscientific.

    The Ktismatic dream is much more realistic, with just one variation that is a common one, that slightly embarrasses, but does not seem to do any harm – unless one takes the “craned forward” as being threatening, maybe predatory, and then the idea that the modification sort of disappears (when straightened up) itself becomes a bit sinister, a disguise, an appearance of normality, a potentially predatory pseudoperson.

    Comment by samlcarr — 20 October 2007 @ 11:17 pm

  14. Yes Sam I think Clysmatics with this dream is trying to clysmatise his Dr. Hyde persona. He is shifting, a bit decadently perhaps, between his corporate and his artsy-fartsy progressive Left neighbourhood personae.

    Dreams about dysmorphia usually have something to do with core identity issues, but since there’s no dreambook I don’t think I can tell you why in this dream you felt yourself misshaped or wanting to be…

    Comment by parodycenter — 21 October 2007 @ 3:18 am

  15. “unless one takes the “craned forward” as being threatening, maybe predatory, and then the idea that the modification sort of disappears (when straightened up) itself becomes a bit sinister, a disguise, an appearance of normality, a potentially predatory pseudoperson.”

    I like that idea, Sam. We talked about Mimic, the movie in which giant bugs disguise themselves as humans in order to lure prey. And we’ve also talked about Viggo being a cop in disguise in Eastern Promises, as well as Psycho with its notoriously disguised murderer. When I awoke this morning the first thought that came to mind was that my craned neck signaled not an intent to stand out in the crowd but rather an intense interest in something. Maybe I find my interests unnatural or primitive, and I’m repulsed by this discovery. But then I also discover that other people in the crowd share these interests.

    “He is shifting, a bit decadently perhaps, between his corporate and his artsy-fartsy progressive Left neighbourhood personae. Dreams about dysmorphia usually have something to do with core identity issues”

    I believe this too is true, Dejan. You’ve observed my indecision between art and analysis, and also between writing and practice. I’ve also noticed in the last couple of weeks a little spark of renewed personal interest in several of these things, usually in combination, despite an apparent disinterest in all the marketplaces. Based on social interaction and observation of the market I repeatedly perceive myself as being weirder and more isolated in my interests than I ever imagined. But in the dream there is more widespread evidence of this sort of perverse interest, disguised by good posture in civilized society but visible once you look at people the right way.

    Comment by ktismatics — 21 October 2007 @ 7:19 am

  16. “Yes I think I’d like being a pterodactyl, though I’m not so sure about the long bony protuberance on the top of the head. But maybe even that.”

    Well, I know I’d like to be one, I think they are the most beautiful creatures ever to exist–and they make Magritte’s paintings of stone-sculpture eagles suspended as if not subject to the law of gravity look like child’s play. A dance critic referred to the greatest Balanchine dancers in the 70s era as ‘remembering when the pterodactyls were flying’, and she was talking about something that disappeared just as suddenly and irreversibly as the pterodactyls,i.e., the New York City Ballet still exists and has a good moment here and there, but they are a mere shadow of what they were even 20 years ago.

    Comment by jonquille de camembert — 21 October 2007 @ 10:02 am

  17. “Even a giraffe has only 7 bones in its neck.”

    These are also exquisite, and they feed from the tops of trees on the savannah. They are very sweet and gentle animals of rare grace.

    Comment by jonquille de camembert — 21 October 2007 @ 10:03 am

  18. “When I awoke this morning the first thought that came to mind was that my craned neck signaled not an intent to stand out in the crowd but rather an intense interest in something. Maybe I find my interests unnatural or primitive, and I’m repulsed by this discovery. But then I also discover that other people in the crowd share these interests.”

    Yes, I like to look at horsedick too, but since I’m not ashamed of it (except when the hansom-cab drivers crane their necks back at me askance), I tend not to crane my neck. My Swiss friend and his brother both crane their half-German, half-French Swiss necks, but it is because their father did it and also because they are both about 6’3″ like their grandmother on the German side. Their mother was 2 years old during the Hitler period, but Arpege could figure out ways to make her culpable, being the Holocaust Kunt that she is…

    Comment by jonquille de camembert — 21 October 2007 @ 10:08 am

  19. Jonquille you better be careful when you’re sucking the horse, because what if your neck gets stuck?

    Comment by parodycenter — 22 October 2007 @ 6:47 am

  20. Regarding my animalistic persona, this morning my daughter said she had a dream in which I came into the room where she and my wife were sitting and said, “Hey guys! I bought a bear!” And in walks the bear, about the size of a large dog, very round, very playful.

    Comment by ktismatics — 22 October 2007 @ 8:55 am

  21. ‘Jonquille you better be careful when you’re sucking the horse, because what if your neck gets stuck?”

    Serbs are about the only people left who are truly gentle and natural.

    Comment by jonquille de camembert — 22 October 2007 @ 10:55 am

  22. Clysmatics this is interesting: I don;t think it;s an incident that you mentioned PSYCHO – BECAUSE – there is a scene where Perkins is talking to the detective, and CRANES his head like a BIRD (munching also like a bird); there’s this whole connection with birds – Marion CRANE – and the birds in Norman’s parlor etc. Also this thematique with normalcy vs abnormalcy.

    Comment by parodycenter — 22 October 2007 @ 1:51 pm

  23. Whoa, dude, yer freakin’ me out now! Marion Crane doesn’t have a fisheye stare on the bathroom floor — it’s the stare of a startled bird. And wasn’t The Birds the next Hitchcock movie?

    Comment by ktismatics — 22 October 2007 @ 2:05 pm

  24. yes the bird theme is famously Hitchcockian, there is a link in British vernacular, ”to knock off a bird”. And birds, in Greek mythology, are forces of Chaos and Destruction. But where I think it links up to your dream is this craning. Don’t be freaked out as you can see interpretation flows out of associations.

    Comment by parodycenter — 22 October 2007 @ 2:30 pm

  25. I do pay rather close attention to birds, in part because my father is an amateur ornithologist. I always regarded my father as sort of alien, an “odd bird” so to speak. And I believe it was the day before my dream I happened upon four crows and two ravens scavenging the remains of a crushed sandwich on the roadside. The crows walked farther away from me than the ravens. I like crows — very clever and devious omnivores.

    Comment by ktismatics — 22 October 2007 @ 2:53 pm

  26. Related to crows, the other day I was listening to a song cycle built around Wallace Stevens’ poem “Thirteen Ways of Looking at a Blackbird.” Awhile back I put up several posts about Stevens who, like I and my father before me, once worked in the insurance business. Now, as I’m writing this comment, the radio announcer said that the next piece would be performed by Eighth Blackbird, which is a classical chamber ensemble. I think I’ll post the poem, which is beautiful and enigmatic and Eastern.

    Comment by ktismatics — 22 October 2007 @ 3:04 pm

  27. I was looking for something else in an essay by Derrida when I came upon a sentence where he speaks of “the screeching machinations of a hooker, or crane, its flights and claws. In French a crane is une grue, which is also a slang term for a prostitute.

    Comment by ktismatics — 22 October 2007 @ 3:18 pm

  28. You also mentioned the very smart New Caledonian crows a while back – altogether an interesting mix of facts and allusions!

    Comment by samlcarr — 23 October 2007 @ 12:48 am

  29. Right — the crows that craft food extraction tools out of leaves and twigs, then carry the best ones around with them from one feeding spot to another.

    Comment by ktismatics — 23 October 2007 @ 11:12 am


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