27 February 2007

Entering the Third Century

Filed under: Reflections — ktismatics @ 10:31 am

samlcarr has alerted me to the fact that the Ivan, Are You Okay? post now has more than 200 comments. Strangely enough, even the Triple Digits! post, which commemorated the 100th comment, has itself generated 20 comments of its own. Is Ivan any closer to becoming a believer? Are his interlocutors any closer to losing their faith? Any metacomments; i.e., comments about the comments?



  1. I hope nobody is in danger of losing their faith as its not my intention at all.
    For decades now its bugged me that many really smart people have an abiding faith in some kind of supreme being, and some how I missed the plot. I self admit to not being the sharpest tool in the shed, and I am sure its only a matter of me being re-educated, you know like Winston Smith.
    I have reservations on my reservations when it comes to religion and I am hoping that at worst case, Saml or Vince or any other kindly soul might eliminate some of my doubts. Hey, it worked for Thomas maybe it will work for me? The only thing I draw the line at is self deception. Its really the thing that caused my most early clash with the Anglican church.



    Comment by Ivan — 27 February 2007 @ 11:07 am

  2. Ivan, Vince and John,

    now we’re on really new ground – self deception. I struggle with this one a number of times every day… guess that’s one reason for my leaning more towards postmodernism, the grey areas seem too large!


    Comment by samlcarr — 27 February 2007 @ 11:10 pm

  3. Some degree of self-deception seems inevitable, don’t you think? After all, we’re using part of our mind trying to understand our whole mind and body — the subject matter exceeds our ability to make sense of it. Plus we’re pretty good at fooling ourselves. It’s an ongoing struggle, but probably worth the effort to make some headway in the darkness.


    Comment by ktismatics — 28 February 2007 @ 6:08 am

  4. Speaking for myself, I actually learn a lot from these gentlemen.



    Comment by Ivan — 28 February 2007 @ 8:37 am

  5. The self deception I mentioned earlier was very upfront and obvious. That happened during my early high school days when a local kid who was “re-born” worked on me. I didn’t mind listening to him selling me his faith it was just that it ended up getting to this part where you “act” as if you have faith and all of a sudden you will convince yourself you have it. I just can’t act for peanuts! Couldn’t do it. I have watched many enormously well meaning folk try similar tactics with selling faith over the years in fact someone wrote a book entitled “telling lies for God”. One day I will hear something that may make things click, maybe even the voice of God himself. I am just going to go and keep looking.



    Comment by Ivan — 1 March 2007 @ 4:49 am

  6. I tell ya, Vince is getting me into some interesting areas! Can that dude type!!



    Comment by Ivan — 3 March 2007 @ 6:08 am

  7. Yeah, he seems interesting. The advantage of being able to carry on these extended conversations is that it doesn’t degenerate into those quick hostile back-and-forth volleys on the chat lines — though I guess they can be fun too.


    Comment by ktismatics — 3 March 2007 @ 6:26 am

  8. John,
    The thing is they are all interesting! Saml and Vince. Even some of the other guys that stopped posting after a while such as Van skaamper? etc. Saml and Vince have both given me idea and information and perspective on reading Biblical information and putting a few of the older objections to bed. While it’s possible I may not be able to change, this discourse allows me to let go of some of my long held objections that were really based on wrong ideas or concepts.
    It’s also fascinating to get a look in on someone like Vince in how his Christian mind deals with his faith and the underlying guilt and fear etc.
    It’s probably the most interesting discussion I have ever encountered with this subject and I am very grateful to them for their participation and for you allowing a place to host it.



    Comment by Ivan — 4 March 2007 @ 2:53 am

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